22' range Daysailor

George ( C&C 40 ) · Post by **George ( C&C 40 )** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:01 am

Hi All,

A friend of mine asked me about sailboats in the 22' range. He has a house in a very nice neighborhood that has it's own yacht club and is looking for a boat to go out on evenings here in the Williamsburg, VA area. His neighborhood yacht club has deepwater piers and he would most likely keep the boat in the water so it would be real easy to take it out after work.

I know about small race boats and larger cruising boats but I don't know much about "gentleman daysailor" type boats so I thought I would put the question to the group... What boat in the 22' range would you get for one or two person after work sails, on a wide river? Note: the boat should be new, or at least newer, because he is more interested in sailing than doing fix-up work.

Thanks!

George

Case · Post by **Case** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:23 am

George... How about a new Ensign? New ones are being built nowadays.

Link to the Ensign Builder website: http://www.ensignspars.com/index.html

Hard to get more gentlemanly than the Ensign, me thinks.

Another gentlemanly 22' sailboat, one that may actually be easier to sail than the Ensign is the Marshall 22 Catboat.

Link for the Marshall 22: http://www.marshallcat.com/M22Lines.htm

One more other is actually a race sailboat but the cockpit is so huge and grand, I consider it to be a gentlemanly sailboat: The Sonar.

Link for the Sonar builder: http://www.shumwaymarine.com/sonar/

If your friend is willing to go up to 25', theres the new Harbor 25, built by W.D. Schock - I think thats the same company who built your Wavelength 24 (correct me if I'm wrong).

That's about it for new or newer 22 footers I can think of. There are many others but they are probably at least 25 years old or older so I am not sure if your friend will want to deal with the aging process of these boats.

Your friend might have to pony up the $$$. The Ensign and the Sonar comes in around 40k or less with a trailer and the works. The Harbor 25, I am not sure but the Marshall 22 is costly, close to 70K (it has a diesel). Lightly used versions can be found for some savings but they will still be expensive.

- Case

Figment · Post by **Figment** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:30 am

Case beat me to it.

Ensign or catboat, depending on how salty he wants to get.

I would've added Meridian for its nicer lines, but they're out of production, right?

Does Cape Cod Shipbuilding still build the Marlin?

rshowarth · Post by **rshowarth** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:41 am

For ease of care in a new, but not classic, Daysailer I suggest the Hunter 216. It has a heavy swing keel operated by a hydraulic lift and can be rigged for solo sailing. It has a large cockpit for comfort.

http://www.huntermarine.com/Models/216/216Index.html

In a more classicly designed daysailer the Sakonnet 23 looks like the boat I would like if I could afford it:

http://www.sakonnet23.com/sakonnett23_f ... unter.html

The Sonar, Ensign and Marshall Cats are all good too.

rshowarth · Post by **rshowarth** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:55 am

Here is a Yacht World listing for the Edey & Duff Sakonnet 23:

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/ ... 62530&url=

bhartley · Post by **bhartley** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:01 am

For a new Daysailor (one you can go buy off the showroom floor), they are quite reasonably priced and not unattractive. An older couple in our marina traded in their spanky new Marshall for one. It based on the original O'Day molds. Nice little cuddy cabin and self bailing cockpit. Keel or centerboard.

Lots of plastic - not a lot of teak. Low maintenance -- looks good. A little smaller than what you asked for, but a nice option.

rshowarth · Post by **rshowarth** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:05 am

As an O'Day Mariner owner, my boat may not appreciate me pointing out that Stuart is also the current manufacturer of the Rhodes 19 which has prettier lines without the cabintop.

See: www.stuartmarine.net

A little larger, how about an Alerion 28 or smaller, the new Alerion 20.

Are they planning on attending the Annapolis Boat Show? Marshall, Stuart, the Alerion and Hunter should all be there.

Case · Post by **Case** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:01 pm

Thought up a few more:

Bridges Point 24 - A Joel White Design.

http://www.bridgespoint.com/

For basic daysailing, I do think that the Marshall Sanderling is a better choice than the 22 so here's the link for looking. There are two versions, one with a cuddy and one without.

http://www.marshallcat.com/M18Lines.htm

I mentioned the Harbor 25 from W.D. Schock earlier but forgot to provide a link.

http://www.santanasailboats.com/boats/h ... rbor25.htm

As Figment mentioned... the Marlin is still being built by Cape Code Shipbuilding. The Daysailor as bhartley mentioned is also built by the same company. There's too many classic designs to list so I'll just give the link.

http://www.capecodshipbuilding.com/site/home.htm

Too many choices, too short a life...

- Case

George ( C&C 40 ) · Post by **George ( C&C 40 )** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:58 pm

Hi Again All,

Ha Ha! You guys have done yoeman's duty in the suggestion dept! I'll show this posting to my friend. If he can't find something he likes out of this list it just can't be done. Thanks again for all your help.

George

rshowarth · Post by **rshowarth** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:37 pm

Be sure to let us know what he chooses and post pictures.

Ric in Richmond · Post by **Ric in Richmond** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:29 pm

http://norfolk.craigslist.org/boa/415961524.html

Cape Dory Typhoon....And local too!!!!!

rshowarth · Post by **rshowarth** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:44 pm

How about a Wianno Senior. Classic!

http://www.wiannosenior.org/

http://www.crosbyyacht.com/

http://www.wiannosenior.org/newboatpics/03prices2.pdf

George ( C&C 40 ) · Post by **George ( C&C 40 )** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:48 am

Thanks again guys,

I really appreciate all the help! I'll let you know how it turns out.

George

Ceasar Choppy · Post by **Ceasar Choppy** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:28 am

Let me also recommend a Sparkman & Stephens SAILMASTER 22

http://www.uncommonboats.com/website/article.asp?id=161

Built in Netherlands in the mid 60s, they are stout boats (keel stepped mast), close to standing headroom, graceful lines, and they don't draw all that much with the keel up. Very cool companionway IMHO.

Tim Mertinooke · Post by **Tim Mertinooke** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:34 pm

I'll second the Typhoon...

Ric in Richmond · Post by **Ric in Richmond** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:07 am

I think the typhoon...especially being in the guys backyard...has to be a viable option. A great boat to boot.

The one on craigslist looks nice and is priced well to boot!!

I'd like one to go with my alberg 35

George ( C&C 40 ) · Post by **George ( C&C 40 )** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:59 am

Thanks again guys. The search is going on now. He's leaning brand new at the moment but we'll see. Certainly, for the money, the Typhoon looks like a great deal.

George

MQMurphy · Post by **MQMurphy** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 1:56 pm

Coincidence? I saw this Wianno Senior on EBay earlier this week.
Not plastic, and a bit of a project but thought I'd post this link.
Gorgeous little boats. Apparently there was a catastrophic fire in Osterville, MA in 2003 . . . ?

Hirilondë · Post by **Hirilondë** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:58 pm

MQMurphy wrote:Apparently there was a catastrophic fire in Osterville, MA in 2003 . . . ?

The Crosby Yard, which built the Wiannos, (an early Crosby designed them) had a serious fire several years ago. 2003 might be right. Several Wiannos and other boats were lost. The yard was a very sad and eerie site the day after. Where one shed stood it was then a pile of ash with engines lined up in rows. I don't think they ever determined the cause. When you consider all the flammable liquids used in boatyards it is a wonder there aren't more fires.

Rachel · Post by **Rachel** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:20 pm

I've had the good fortune to be able to sail a custom-built 23-foot daysailer a few times this summer (including twice this weekend - yay, wind!). I was told it was a transom-sterned version of a known design that usually had a canoe stern, but at the time no-one could think of the name.

Found out Saturday that the canoe-sterned boat is the Sakonnet 23, previously mentioned in this thread as being built by Edey & Duff. Presuming they're similar to the one I was sailing I can say that it's a lovely boat, and a lot of fun to sail. I couldn't believe how high it pointed (but then I'm not used to daysailers), nor how little wind it took to make it go, and it had that great feeling of being down in the cockpit while sailing. It's also amazingly stable when you step onto it from the dock, which surprised me.

Just another fun and beautiful choice :-)

rshowarth · Post by **rshowarth** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:17 am

The Sakonnet has a combination keel and centerboard. I understand the keel adds to its stability and with the centerboard it is able to point well.

When the centerboard is raised I believe the draft is under 3 feet, allowing you to sail it in shallow areas.

Edit: The keel is over 900 pounds and the draft with the board up is 22 inches.

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/ ... 62530&url=

Rachel · Post by **Rachel** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:39 pm

Thanks for the detail, Read. I saw this boat out of the water last winter, but I can't remember exactly what it looked like; I believe it is a keel/centerboard though, and that it is effectively a Sakonnet 23, but with a transom stern. Sure was a blast to sail, and elegant, too.

Ric in Richmond · Post by **Ric in Richmond** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:24 pm

That sakonnet sure is pretty....But is was more than my Alberg 35!!

If the typhoon is the choice do I get a finders fee sail?????

Ric

rshowarth · Post by **rshowarth** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:07 pm

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/ ... =1937&url=

Marshall 22

Plastic Classic Forum

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