Who wouldn't LOVE this seat?
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Even without the gaff, she's so salty your eyeballs start to rust.
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Just a little something brewing in that "someday I'll do some extended cruising" corner of my mind.
I believe that you can buy the BCC in a few variations of kit form as well, though I recall that the builder has some pretty specific minimimum installations that they require in any hull that leaves the factory, so one can't quite do a real bare-hull construction themselves. I didn't immediately find this info on the Sam L. Morse website just now, but remember seeing it in the past.Figment wrote:Just a little something brewing in that "someday I'll do some extended cruising" corner of my mind.
If not now, when? I don't know about you but I am getting the feeling I am never going to finish my current boat. I am going to have to race just to see some salt water under the keel this summer. I couldn't even begin to think about starting another one. As much as I would like another boat for that "extended cruise", I am thinking I can't afford to put this much into one boat and then start over with another. When my turn comes I am going to suck it up and leave in my Triton.Just a little something brewing in that "someday I'll do some extended cruising" corner of my mind.
Coming from Maine, where moorings are the norm, the thought of even having to be at a dock sends shudders racing uncontrollably down my spine. But it would be annoying to have to pay for mostly air space because of a bowsprit, if one had to be at a dock.bcooke wrote:It also bugs me to pay so much extra at the dock because of the added length.
You guys and your potty minds! I think the sailing season needs to come...and quickly! hehebcooke wrote:Quote:
I sure have bowsprit envy! I love bowsprits
Hmmm... anyone want to touch that one?
Tim, let's keep things professional around here ;-)
Well, there is in my mind :-) Gaff rigs have lots of advantages too (more sail area, lower CE, less stress on the rig, etc) but like anything else on a boat it all comes down to compromises. I would be happy with either.There is no doubt that the Marconi rig is the choice for all of its advantages...
You do know that gaffs go to windward too right?... Perhaps not as well as the Bermudan but not that much worse either.Windward efficiency is important, as much as we all like to go downwind
Glad you put that 'sailor' in quotes!bcooke wrote:Yes, a Bermudan goes to windward better but most 'sailors' use the motor for upwind work anyway.
I knew that would scare off the dissenters :-)Just expressing my opinion, that's all!
Step one: burn that book!!!Tim wrote:You need professional help.bcooke wrote:I was just perusing an old calculus textbook last night ( anyone feel the need to comment?)...
Yes, well, so is everything else that sounds, tastes, and feels good.Calculus is evil.
So I gather you actually like math! A revelation! No wonder you're always pressing for complex diagrams and theory! hehe Now it makes sense. After all, you were once going down an economics road, were you not? (Until, as you claim, I was somehow responsible for your abandonment of that dream...)bcooke wrote:Yes, well, so is everything else that sounds, tastes, and feels good.
Actually, once the admittedly difficult concept is grasped calculus becomes quite understandable.
I picked up the book because I have been toying with the idea of a return to school and was wondering if I still had the concept. It is pretty vague at the moment.
Ric in Richmond wrote:Not quite an english channel cutter...but still great looking . "Farewell" is a boat I used to race on in st michaels MD Wed nights in the 80's.
Great fun....and it is plastic!!!
Peter Van Dine also did some tancook whalers in 'glass.
I technically fit into your premise (my degree is in aerospace engineering - so, yes, I am a rocket scientist) but I actually use basic calculus all the time, outside of rocketry-related activities. Most of the basic algebra you use (particularly with trigonometry and geometry) gives you an answer, a piece of "missing information", by a process of elimination - you know A, B, and C, therefore you can determine D. This is very useful, of course.Tim wrote:How does one, other than an astronomer or mathematician or rocket engineer or what have you, ever use calculus in life? What exactly is the point of calculus, and why might one study it?
Umm, yeah, what he said...but I actually use basic calculus all the time, ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .... ... ... ... ...
Actually, the dream isn't dead, just postponed. After choking down a couple of quarts of fiberglass dust I am starting to think economics isn't so bad again. I just needed to explore Thoreau-ian economic theory for awhile.After all, you were once going down an economics road, were you not? (Until, as you claim, I was somehow responsible for your abandonment of that dream...)
I spend a lot of time teaching kids about science and engineering. The kids I end up teaching are usually the "gifted and talented" kids who are familiar with school and consider it a boring waste of time. If you take them to the lake and tell them you're going to measure how fast a boat can sail (or how high a rocket can go, or how much stuff you can pile on a bridge before it breaks) they get interested in a hurry.bcooke wrote:Now, I nead to go back and read Matt's post again and see if I can remember what he is talking about. By the way Matt, that is actually one of the best examples of calculus in use I have read. You have done this a few times haven't you?
Wow. One must be careful what one wished for! heheMatt B. wrote:...................Calculus can often give you D when all you know is A or B.......................................................Tim wrote:How does one, other than an astronomer or mathematician or rocket engineer or what have you, ever use calculus in life? What exactly is the point of calculus, and why might one study it?
For example, let's say you're trying to determine which Triton has the best acceleration...............Do the same to get the acceleration - 1 x 6 = 6, the 2.5 is a constant and goes away, leaving me with 6 as my constant acceleration.)
That's actually a really good analogy: the right tool for the job, and so on. While there is usually more than one way to get any job done, having the right tool at your disposal (whether mathematics knowledge or a biscuit joiner or a gear-driven West epoxy pump) makes the process more efficient, more accurate (perhaps), and certainly quicker. The more one does a certain repetitive process, the more sense it makes to obtain (whether through education or by spending money at the local store) the correct tool to make the job easier.Matt B wrote:I remember the first time I saw Norm on "New Yankee Workshop" use a biscuit joiner. I clearly remember thinking it was the most useless tool I'd ever seen - why didn't he just drill it out and use a dowel? Well, the answer is, I would do that - because I might have a need for that type of joint once or twice a year. But someone who built cabinets for a living and has a clear need for the tool buys it - and then finds they use it for a lot more than just those projects.
Of course, once you're stuck behind that desk somewhere, supposedly calculating the supply and demand for the latest round of widgets, your thoughts will actually be completely on your boat and projects, and you'll be pining for the smell and itch of polyester dust.bcooke wrote:After choking down a couple of quarts of fiberglass dust I am starting to think economics isn't so bad again.
Oh, you know me too well my friend...Of course, once you're stuck behind that desk somewhere, supposedly calculating the supply and demand for the latest round of widgets, your thoughts will actually be completely on your boat and projects, and you'll be pining for the smell and itch of polyester dust.
Too much information!bcooke wrote:Me and Miss America, I can see it now... ... ....
don't wake me up just yet.
Just for you, Britton!bcooke wrote: It is a shame though because I was just perusing an old calculus textbook last night ( anyone feel the need to comment?) and was in the mood for some no nonsense, left brain, clear logic, straightforward answer to a question. Mike, I take rain checks.
Undisputed.Figment wrote:(King of the Dredge!!!!!)