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Rachel

Although I'm all for as many vents/fans, etc. as possible under shrink wrap, to maximize air flow and minimized damp and condensation, if it were my boat I would still treat the interior as if things were going to be damp. Meaning I would remove as much stuff as possible, leave berth locker tops ope...

Rachel

I remember a reference from the Gougeons about being better to use less hardener than normal for something or other but I can't remember what exactly. It is in either their Fiberglass manual or their Wooden boat manual. Was that for water tanks? (Which they were sort of, as I remember it "We c...

Rachel

A member just bought a Whitby Continental/Folkboat and I posted some additional photos of it. It has (or rather, some of them had) external ballast and a transom-hung rudder, but no forward single port. Could that be it though? It looks like a cross between a Folkboat and an Alberg 30. Rachel http:/...

Rachel

Hmm, I remember the Southcoast 23, but it didn't have an odd rudder or iron ballast (that was obvious).

Great, now I'm racking my brain too!

Do you remember anything else? In what way was the rudder interesting?

Rachel

I'm not an engineer (of any type) either, so take this in that context. These boats have SOLID fiberglass hulls that are at least ten times stronger than they need to be. The stringers will remove flex that adds to the "sea kindliness" of the boat that might make the ride a little more har...

Rachel

Carl-A259 wrote:If I were to add a "stringer" I think I would butt the bulworks with a knee type brace off the bulk head and not taper it down as already mentioned.

Could you say this another way? I can't picture what you mean. (Not that it's my thread, but I'm still following along.)

Rachel

Just curious: Does/did the Bristol 27 have any stringers to begin with? (I realize other things can function as stringers too, like cabinet backs or shelf supports.)

Rachel

I also looked at David Gerr's "Elements of Boat Strength" and perhaps I missed it, but he didn't go into too great of detail about adding stringers in pre-existing boats and the pluses and minuses of full v. partial. Okay, you are probably right then. I didn't know you had the book to ref...

Rachel

I'll be interested to see what knowledgeable folks say here. One intuitive-type thought I had, while reading, is that continuous (full-length or nearly) stringers would strengthen "the boat" whereas maybe ones that only run between bulkheads (discontinuously) would be giving you more "...

Rachel

Maine Sail, This is interesting; could I ask a few questions? What brand/manufacturer is it that you sell? (I'm going to guess Tremco.) What brands/manufacturers did you find to make quality product? How were you able to find out what "ingredients" were used in the various products? Do you...

Rachel

Do not buy an RV butyl it is juntk and will continue to "bleed". These are high solvent tapes made to be nothing but messy gummy stuff for jamming in roof cracks on RV's. You really can't buy this stuff based on price alone. Can you elaborate on the "bleeding"? I've used grey bu...

Rachel

I think I posted in that thread - not with ABYC standards (are there any for this?), but with information from Dave Gerr's book. Let me see if I can find it via searching and link to it. Edited to add: Here is the thread I was thinking of (not sure if it's the same one you were remembering). In case...

Rachel

I believe it is an Allied Greenwich, although I see what you mean about the additional/larger portlight. However, here are two clues I'm going by: 1) The V-shape on the front of the cabin-top. You can also see it in your photo and also here on another Allied Greenwich and in a drawing of the boat: h...

Rachel

Monsieur du Nord wrote:yes I understood...however its a small group of continental folkboat owners from lake ontario that comended Alberg to build a larger version of the folkboat witch gave birth to the alberg 30

Ah right, good point!

Rachel

you are right this was the model they use to built the A30...notable diference is the coaring...this folkboat has non just like my hr28. Just to be clear, I was referring to Whitby re-using the ballast pig mold from the Continental, not to the whole boat (although you can see certain builder simila...

Rachel

Ooh, can't wait to "ride along" on your project. I've always thought those looked neat. Rumor has it that the reason the Alberg 30 ballast has an approximately 10" vertical "wall" around the top of it is because they used the Continental ballast pig/mold as a base and just b...

Rachel

Could you post a few photos of your existing engine beds? It would be nice to see how they are constructed, what they're made of, the geometry, etc.

Rachel

I don't have experience with it (I like the patina bronze develops), but I remember that Tim Lackey used clear lacquer to coat the polished bronze port frames on his Triton. I think he had to re-do them fairly often ... maybe annually? That would be for a northern boat stored under cover for about h...

Rachel

Northstar wrote: James/Atom has removed the inboard engine and even though I could not find a statement...I wonder if he encroached the "engine space" when he installed the 4 105's?

Good point - I would bet that he has. Four T-105's would take up a bit of space.

Rachel

Have you seen James and Mei Baldwin's Triton pages? Their boat, "Atom" has the extended bottom step and I believe they have four T-105 golf-cart batteries therein (which is a nice, hefty bank). I think also Britton here might have done something similar on his Triton, "Jenny." He...

Rachel

I may be "stepping back" further than you want to go with this topic, but in planning out a battery box installation (if that's not all planned yet), you might want to consider the ABYC standards. These are guidelines, not laws, but they are often useful in pointing out things that would m...

Rachel

Crazer wrote:Photos to follow.

Oopsie, guess I missed that in all the excitement. Fun to see the photos - thanks for posting them.

Rachel

Rachel

Welcome and congrats!

But doesn't showing off require photos? ;)

(Unless there are some and I just can't see them?)

Rachel

Rachel

I was out of town and so was not able to take photos of my respirator until now. Here are photos and some more details. So, my respirator is 3M part number 07138, model number 6700 and is a size small. This is the same respirator as the 6800 (medium) and 6900 (large). As these photos show, it looks ...

Rachel

mitiempo, Good point - I didn't re-read the entire linked page, but rather just glanced at it to make sure it was the one I was thinking of, and happened to see the stainless fasteners mentioned. I think I would use either tapped machine screws, or... maybe screws/nuts if I could get at the back/ins...

Rachel

Not to take anything away from any of our suggestions, but when I was thinking about putting in a garboard drain (and we have discussed that here so there may be some threads in the archives), I found a page with a pretty good photo-report on flush-mounting a garboard plug. Scroll about halfway down...

Rachel

mitiempo wrote:
(why are there no smilies on this forum?)

It's a hallowed Plastic Classic Forum tradition. We have to express ourselves in words, with the occasional text-based emoticon. The horror! ;) <---occasional use, which makes them work like a dash of spice, in my opinion.

Rachel

Rachel

My boat has a single stringer going in the other direction from those in the photo, from the bow back along the centerline to where the forecabin starts. I believe that is usually (and maybe always, although one hesitates to make blanket statements covering them all) present on the east-coast built...

Rachel

It's comparable to how the aeromarine made their Triton decks I think. Aeromarine probably used a different silica filler, but I doubt the microstructure of the silica filler makes a huge difference. I use diatomaceous earth as my silica filler because I can get it for less than a dollar per pound,...

Rachel

I really don't know if the extra weight would be a problem in the grand scheme of things, so I can't comment to that. On the other hand, on the subject of stiffness in fiberglass-only decks: Most of the "solid" glass decks I have seen have some sort of framing inside the boat to stiffen th...

Rachel

Mitiempo, yes it does add some weight. Around 10 gallons of resin, 30lbs of diatoms, and maybe 20lbs of matting. To me the main benefit of an all glass deck is that it's monolithic, with much less potential for interfacial delamination between dissimilar materials over time. I have to say that I am...

Rachel

I hesitate to respond, for a few reasons: 1) You are new here and I don't want to you feel unwelcome. 2) I'm not a wood or epoxy expert by any stretch of the imagination. 3) I hate to sound all negative/doubting-Thomas. 4) I'm all for "outside the box" thinking, and yet... If there's one t...

Rachel

Dilute epoxy seems to work well if it's used highly diluted at 50:1 or so, and many coats are used, sanding with finer grit paper between each coat (I use 60 through 600 grit). If you let the epoxy really soak in and then evaporate and cure, you end up filling the pores of the wood to create a wood...

Rachel

I'm recoring mine with polyester resin mixed with diatomite and fiberglass mat. Most of the top skin is being resused after tapering the edges and embedding them at the top of the mixture. I can do rough fairing while still wet, and then belt sanding for additional smothing, followed by a top layer...

Rachel

Okay, I think that heater makes the chimney (really more "exhaust") placement less of an issue on deck. Also, I think it is pretty flexible in its requirements for placement vis-a-vis stove operation. If I remember correctly, the exhaust/intake can even be on a cabinside/vertical surface (...

Rachel

This is probably obvious, but I would want to see how having a chimney on deck would fit with the various sailing operations there. For example, one boat I've sailed that has a cabin heater had the chimney go up at an angle, because if it had exited straight above the heater it would have made worki...

Rachel

seasailor55 wrote:I have no problems recommending the Ensign! ... With its huge cockpit, positive flotation, and lockable cuddy cabin, it's a great boat for a sail training program!

I didn't know the Ensign had positive flotation. Can you tell more about that?

Rachel

I'll be interested to read what our knowledgeable folks say on this one. Years ago (pre-forum... the horror!), when it was not so easy to get answers, I did a full "re-do" on an aluminum boom, which included eliminating/moving hardware and then having it re-painted with 2-part LPU. I'm pre...

Rachel

I, too, thought I remembered Ebb saying he had changed his mind on the ports too, so of course it began to bug me and I had to look. Here is what he had to say in 2009 during a discussion of bedding port frames, etc. I don't know if he has changed his mind since then though - he did sound a bit un-d...

Rachel

I think the difference might be that mine is a size small. It seems as though the outer rim/seal is proportionately smaller than the inner nose piece. I had to make an unexpected trip yesterday so I did not get a chance to take or post photos of mine. I'll do that as soon as I can, and will probably...

Rachel

Hmm, that looks a bit different than mine, although mine is also a 3M 6000 series. I will have to snap some photos to compare (and will post them here). I think if I'm looking "into" mine like that, that the bottom of the inner nose piece would be way below the "chin part" of the...

Rachel

Here are a few photos from the unloading on the "home" end, although they don't show the roller/pipes in action (also, I added one "pre-load" photo to the post above just now). By the way, CharlieJ is currently cruising down the US East Coast, so that's why he's not posting himse...

Rachel

CharlieJ from this forum picked up and moved his Meridian (25'/5500#) on a cradle and flatbed. I have photos of it, and I just called him to ask if he minded if I posted them, and he said to go ahead. So here we go, with some notes: before loading.jpg loading1.jpg loading0.jpg loading4.jpg loading5....

Rachel

It sounds like a seal on the "half-nose" section is not critical or even intended. I wonder if the nose-part might be a bit closer or better lined up on a Medium or Large model, because I don't even know if I could "sneeze down" enough to hit mine. But that's okay as long as I kn...

Rachel

Sounds like a great experience, Bill. Any chance you could post photos of your new canvas? I'd especially like to see the dodger and how the bimini/frame are set up.

Thanks,
Rachel

Rachel

Well it sounds like it will be plenty strong, and after all you did not build up a huge percentage of the perimeter but only one area. I think one of the main things is that you will now have a good base for bedding, and a grip for the screws (not to mention no puzzle of all different-sized fastener...

Rachel

Hi folks, Northstar's recent recommendation for, and photo of himself wearing, his 3M 6000 series full-face respirator reminded me how much I would like to use mine, which I bought a few years ago, felt didn't fit properly, and abandoned for my tried-and-true half-face respirator and goggles. A comb...

Rachel

Northstar wrote:
Rachel wrote: would you mind explaining your sequence in building up these areas?
I'll start a new thread in "Projects".

Glenn

Thanks!

New thread:

viewtopic.php?f=37&t=5680

Rachel

Thank you for starting a thread for this - much appreciated. I think I see where/why I couldn't picture what you were doing before. I think my brain was "stuck" on the way I would have done it (in my head anyway), and so I couldn't get past that on one part. I still do want to ask one clar...

Rachel

Oops, sorry about your computer ;) Actually, it's not exactly "working," because I have the choice of either not seeing the right half of the photo (and I would presume, other photos?) in its entirety, or not seeing the left half of everything. What was successful was that I figured out wh...

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