Removing a wheel and reinstalling a tiller
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Removing a wheel and reinstalling a tiller
My Pearson Wanderer has, sadly, had her tiller replaced with a wheel. I think she was at some point used for charters, and at any rate it's a common modification for these boats. I really don't like the wheel, I have never sailed with one but I do know how much I like a tiller. I was also sitting in the cockpit today and realizing that you can really only comfortably steer from one position on each side of the cockpit. Finally, the wheel takes up a large amount of real estate and can't be stowed. On my boat reverting the the original configuration would be a simple matter of removing the wheel and sticking a new tiller head on the shaft sticking up through the cockpit floor. I was wondering what kind of rudder head assembly I would need for this modification. The shaft itself is about an inch in diameter with a notch about 1/4 inch deep and extends three or four inches down the length of the shaft. The fiberglass tube surrounding the shaft clearly had some fitting on it as it is unpainted FG for most of its length. There is a rubber fitting which fills the gap between the shaft and the fiberglass tube. I did a little rendering of what the assembly looks like:
So my question, is what kind of fitting do I need? I'm guessing that the term "key" refers to the notch in the rudder shaft. I did not, however, see any obvious point where the rudder head would be screwed or bolted to the shaft. There were screw holes in the fiberglass tube, front and back, however.
So my question, is what kind of fitting do I need? I'm guessing that the term "key" refers to the notch in the rudder shaft. I did not, however, see any obvious point where the rudder head would be screwed or bolted to the shaft. There were screw holes in the fiberglass tube, front and back, however.
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Re: Removing a wheel and reinstalling a tiller
Here is one place to start your search: http://www.rigrite.com/Hardware/Rudder_ ... er%20Heads
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Re: Removing a wheel and reinstalling a tiller
The tiller head does not bolt to the shaft.
You need to buy a bronze keyway.
The tillerhead has a pinch bolt, slide the head over the shaft and keyway and tighten the pinch bolt- that's it.
You need to buy a bronze keyway.
The tillerhead has a pinch bolt, slide the head over the shaft and keyway and tighten the pinch bolt- that's it.
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Re: Removing a wheel and reinstalling a tiller
Thanks guys. Once I looked at the rigrite page I realized how it worked. Unfortunately, new rudder heads are (surprise!) quite expensive. Ah well, time to start looking for used...
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Re: Removing a wheel and reinstalling a tiller
It's actually called a Woodruf Key. Tell me what you are comfortable spending for the parts you need and I'll check for you at the salvage yard I use , If he has something that will work I'll grab it and tell you how much of your money I spent!! LOL... I'm going there on the 6th of next month. Double check the shaft size but 1 inch sounds correct.
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Re: Removing a wheel and reinstalling a tiller
Everything at RigRite is too expensive. I'm sure you can find a rudder head somewhere else for a lot less.Crazer wrote:Thanks guys. Once I looked at the rigrite page I realized how it worked. Unfortunately, new rudder heads are (surprise!) quite expensive. Ah well, time to start looking for used...
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Re: Removing a wheel and reinstalling a tiller
Crazer,
I only have experience on one Wanderer with a tiller and can tell you that it was the heaviest helm I have ever sailed. Even under power. I have never taken a close enough look at the rudder while thinking about the heavy helm to figure out why. My point is that maybe you should keep the wheel for a year and see how you like it. There is no rule that says you need to make all the modifications the first year.
I only have experience on one Wanderer with a tiller and can tell you that it was the heaviest helm I have ever sailed. Even under power. I have never taken a close enough look at the rudder while thinking about the heavy helm to figure out why. My point is that maybe you should keep the wheel for a year and see how you like it. There is no rule that says you need to make all the modifications the first year.
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Re: Removing a wheel and reinstalling a tiller
Dennis, I took your advice and discovered I hate the wheel with unrestricted passion. It has failed me twice at inconvenient moments, confines me to uncomfortable corners of the cockpit, is a major PITA when I have friends hanging out in the cockpit, makes steering a massive pain (I'm used to being to just yank the tiller to get the rudder hard over) and is in general even worse than expected. I also took your statement regarding the heaviness of the helm to heart and so I am working on designing a new rudder to correct that problem.
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Re: Removing a wheel and reinstalling a tiller
Crazer,
I understand not liking the wheel and now that you have tried it and made a decision, you will never second guess removing the wheel. I took a look at some google images for the Wanderer, particularly the rudder and I really think it is Bill Shaw's worst rudder design. Bill designed some real nice boats that rated well in PHRF and the Wanderer is one of them. But I am looking at about 2.5 - 3 feet of leverage from that bottom corner that you may have to fight. You are not the first and will not be the last to sail a Wanderer by tiller and maybe the one I sailed was one of the worst. Let us know next spring how you like it.
Cheers
Dennis
I understand not liking the wheel and now that you have tried it and made a decision, you will never second guess removing the wheel. I took a look at some google images for the Wanderer, particularly the rudder and I really think it is Bill Shaw's worst rudder design. Bill designed some real nice boats that rated well in PHRF and the Wanderer is one of them. But I am looking at about 2.5 - 3 feet of leverage from that bottom corner that you may have to fight. You are not the first and will not be the last to sail a Wanderer by tiller and maybe the one I sailed was one of the worst. Let us know next spring how you like it.
Cheers
Dennis
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Re: Removing a wheel and reinstalling a tiller
I know it's a late response, but I am planning on removing my wheel steering with a tiller as well. I don't think you'll be disappointed, the wheel just isn't needed on boats our size, adds complexity, and you lose the responsive feel of a tiller.
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Re: Removing a wheel and reinstalling a tiller
I sailed a Triton this past weekend with a tiller and was reminded yet again why I wanted the wheel gone. It just felt so much better. I can't imagine why anyone would choose to go from that to a wheel. Also, the Edson setup seems, frankly, verging on flimsy and in my case was badly installed.
I'm still looking a tiller for a 1 1/4 inch shaft (I think) so if anyone has a lead, I'd appreciate it.
I'm still looking a tiller for a 1 1/4 inch shaft (I think) so if anyone has a lead, I'd appreciate it.
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Re: Removing a wheel and reinstalling a tiller
I sailed a Triton this past weekend with a tiller and was reminded yet again why I wanted the wheel gone. It just felt so much better. I can't imagine why anyone would choose to go from that to a wheel. Also, the Edson setup seems, frankly, verging on flimsy and in my case was badly installed.
I'm still looking a tiller for a 1 1/4 inch shaft (I think) so if anyone has a lead, I'd appreciate it.
I'm still looking a tiller for a 1 1/4 inch shaft (I think) so if anyone has a lead, I'd appreciate it.
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Re: Removing a wheel and reinstalling a tiller
This should work but is very expensive: http://www.edsonmarine.com/marinestore/ ... &cPath=289
I haven't found anything used, they seem to be few and far between.
I haven't found anything used, they seem to be few and far between.
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Re: Removing a wheel and reinstalling a tiller
You might try Boaters Resale Shop in Kemah, TX. They are a marine salvage and used boat parts dealer, and have a warehouse full of sailboat gear. The anodized bronze toe rails on our Cape Dory 22 came from BRS.
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Re: Removing a wheel and reinstalling a tiller
There's one on e-bay right now - rudder head for 1" shaft with keyway. Includes tiller head bracket. $60.00 Search Boat Parts and Accessories - Sailing Gear and Hardware - "tiller"