Hayn Hi-mod Terminals

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:22 pm

For any of you that have used the Hayn hi-mod swage less terminals for your standing rigging, how tight did you tighten the fitting when assembling them? I asked Hayn and they said to tighten finger tight and then a quarter turn with wrenches. This seemed awfully loose when I started putting mine together. Anybody have any experience with these?

Ryan

Figment · Post by **Figment** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:58 pm

I just did a few.

The flaw in those instructions is that one man's "finger tight" is another man's "oh dear god I need vice-grips".

After my quarter-turn, it was tight, but not as tight as I would have made it if left to my own devices. Disassembly was the eye-opener. When properly tight, they unscrew smoothly. When overtight, they're a little gritty.

bcooke · Post by **bcooke** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:03 pm

Is there a direct source for those Hi-Mod fasteners?

I thought I would have to go through a rigger/dealer which kinda put me off them. With Sta-Lok and Norseman so readily available and proven I have been too lazy to deal with the middlemen.

-Britton

Figment · Post by **Figment** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:09 pm

I think I got mine through fisheries supply, but it might have been riggingonly.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:37 am

Mine came from riggingonly. Hand tight and a quarter turn turned into hand tight and a half turn for me. I have been worried maybe I need to tighten them more, but I think I have done enough. Plus, since they have been put together with Loctite, that would make the job that much harder.

Ceasar Choppy · Post by **Ceasar Choppy** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:21 pm

I got mine through Rigging Only.

I talked to technical support at Hayn about how tight. A direct quote from of of their guys:

"Tighten until you give a grunt... but make sure it is a middle aged grunt and not a teenager grunt." That actually made perfect sense to me.

I used blue locktite on mine. Seemed to work just fine. On the Hayn insulators I used the red locktite.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:31 pm

Figment

Did you leave ours at a quarter turn past hand tight, or did you crank on them a bit more?

Figment · Post by **Figment** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:33 pm

(trying to remember)

The quarter-turn guideline is just that: A guideline. I ulltimately used the same force on the three that I did, but they didn't all go a quarter-turn, each had its own limit.

The "middle-aged grunt" seems like a better indicator.

Shoalcove · Post by **Shoalcove** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:18 pm

I used Hi-mods last year which I got from Rigging Only. They were great to deal with and gave me the "Middle aged grunt" advice as well. I'm in descent shape ( for the shape I'm in) and gave them a good effort. I feel I'd rather have them too tight than too loose but I opened a couple up just to check that nothing was distorted. The rig stayed up so I'm happy!

JonnyBoats · Post by **JonnyBoats** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:11 am

How do Hi-Mods compare whit Norseman and Sta-Locs?

Ceasar Choppy · Post by **Ceasar Choppy** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:29 am

JonnyBoats wrote:How do Hi-Mods compare whit Norseman and Sta-Locs?

I prefer them because they have the little crown ring that makes sure you have all the individual wires in place when you screw on the cover over the compression cone. With the others, you never know if you have it just right.

And yes, I guess the "middleaged grunt" advice came from Rigging Only and not Hayn, although they were equally as helpful.

The only thing I didn't like was that while you can get the terminal sizes in imperial measurements, you do need a metric wrench when tighting them down. Either that or a crecent wrench, which I would rather not.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:08 pm

FWIW, I also received the "middle aged grunt" advice from Dave at Hayn. I finally broke down and disassembled and retightened every fitting yesterday quite a bit tighter than before. Hopefully, I won't even have to think about the fittings again!

Thanks for all the advice.

Ryan

Ceasar Choppy · Post by **Ceasar Choppy** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:21 pm

Ryan wrote:FWIW, I also received the "middle aged grunt" advice from Dave at Hayn. I finally broke down and disassembled and retightened every fitting yesterday quite a bit tighter than before. Hopefully, I won't even have to think about the fittings again!

Thanks for all the advice.

Ryan

True, although the beauty of these terminals is that you can disassemble and inspect them if need be. :)