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I spent a night on a boat with a Force 10 "Cozy Cabin" kerosene heater, with the open burner, and my sleeping bag smelled of fuel for a week.
One of these came with my boat and I'm seriously considering removing it. They put out a barely adequate amount of heat and a LOT of noise.
I'm thinking of putting in a Dickenson solid fuel heater as a replacement. I sailed in a boat with one and it put out plenty of nice dry heat and it was quiet. If I were in need of serious full time heating for the higher latitudes I'd go for a diesel heater with sealed combustion chamber.
I had a charlie noble like what has been pictured a couple of times here already.
I think that fitting depends on an air gap to insulate the chimney from the deck. After burning my coring I started looking for a real 'deckwater' fitting that holds water around the chimney. I went with this unit (my chimney is copper) which is sitting on my workbench waiting to be installed.
-Britton
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-Britton
Work is overrated.
Most everything you read on the Internet is wrong.
Robert The Gray wrote:Dorothy G has several interesting modifications.
Robert, there's an existing thread on Dorothy G that contains many more photos of the boat. I'll direct you there for now rather than edge this heater thread further away from its basis.
In case anyone is on the edge of their seat waiting for Britton to reply, I believe that deck ring is from the folks who make the nice, nice woodstoves (Sardine, Halibut, etc.) out on Orcas Island in the San Juan Islands of Washington.
In case anyone is on the edge of their seat waiting for Britton to reply, I believe that deck ring is from the folks who make the nice, nice woodstoves (Sardine, Halibut, etc.) out on Orcas Island in the San Juan Islands of Washington.
I just checked out the above website. The stoves are awesome. I certainly like the Newport solid fuel stove until I just layed my eyes on the sardine. NOW to start figuring out how to set up a "sardine" in my Renegade
NOW to start figuring out how to set up a "sardine" in my Renegade
Sacrificing the hanging locker is probably the best place, and if you close the sliding bulkhead doors, you'd have a sauna. Moving the sink would be a good spot, but the stove would be next to the icebox, and where would the sink go? Do you still have a quarterbirth? If you put it there I think there might be smoke problems though.
Ah, now others are racking their brains over how to fit one of these in. Let me know when you figure it out, okay?
You've probably already gone to the section on the website (photos?) where they show various installations. Some are on quite small boats, but then they are often back near the companionway, where the chimney would make it really hard to have a dodger.
I'm still modifying the original Simpson Laurence fireplace in my 61 Challenger. Sailing in Maine, it gets quiite alot of use. (I've shown this before so sorry for boring some)
I had to replace an all wood top that of course wanted to catch fire after an hour or so of use. The SS top I had made has large vent holes for added heat output.
Last mod. was simply adding a liner of sheet metal around the cast iron firebox for another air channel and hence cooling layer. That helped alot and now the burner can be fired for hours without the smell of simmering cabinetry.
I plan to add metal around the front face next(to the side of the tile) with more ventilation holes and then eventually add a fan below that should pull air through and opening down low in the bilge and send it up through the air channels and out the front. There's also a large grill between the stove and the head which makes the head like a small suana, not such a bad thing.
This heater is hot and throws alot of heat when a good fire is going. (The front door which covers the flame except for the bottom grate area is removed just for the photo) I find small chunks of bone dry hardwood best and the worst I get on deck is soot that cleans off easily. These solid wood heaters are not for everybody but quite common in Maine. If I were to liveaboard this boat, I'd go with the new hydronic systems as tubing would work better in this old boat than duct work.
Saw an interesting heater on a boat in the yard where we keep our boat. It had been removed while some other work was going on. I believe the boat is Swedish built. It is a hot water baseboard system with a kerosene burner.[/img]
There is a fitting for the stove pipe visible on the upper right side of the heating chamber, the hose fitting below runs to the radiators. The return comes in above(or the other way around) I'm guessing that the tanks above are for expansion and reserve water reservoir?
It seems to be run by a small circulator pump, I thought it was some sort of purge valve when I first looked at it. The burner set up is mounted in the head compartment, and the radiators run in a loop around the boat below the settees, up into the forward cabin and back around the other side. The burner set up is pretty make shift looking but I imagine it works OK. I think it could be engineered better without much difficulty, propane maybe?
It certainly doesn't have the appeal of the fire place though..still it looks like it would be effective. Maybe a heat exchanger in a solid fuel fireplace, best of both worlds!
JP,
I'm not sure exactly, but I'm thinking that they are an expansion tank type of set up. If you look closely at the upper one, you can see it appears to have a sight glass. The hose fitting on the lower one is for one side of the radiator circuit.
It would be interesting to see this thing operate, but the owner of this boat is working in Europe, and since he purchased it a few years ago(3 or 4 years) it has just been sitting in the yard. The story I heard (from the yard owner)is that the yard was starting to do some work on it because he was going to sail it over, since his 'temp' work in Europe wasn't looking so temporary. I talked to the yard owner yesterday and now the guy may be back, so we might be able to get more info at some point. Apparently the owner said this system is not unheard of in northern European waters, he has seen it on other boats. He( the owner) was looking into whether it was still being manufactured.
Chris
I haven't really looked into the system (and assumed I would be removing it) but the Swede I'm purchasing has a "Wolter Systems" propane and electric water heater in it. They used this to run through mini "radiators" much like the system above to heat the boat.
