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Thanks for that tip. And thanks for the complement.

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That is supposed to read 9 oz carbon fiber. Guess I should proof read a little better.

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I thought I would share the completed mast support beam I built from the design that Steve did for me. The two black lines in the beam are each 20 layers of 9OX unidirectional carbon fiber.

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Well...after feeling unsure of the actual design specs needed to support my mast and knowing I did not want a problem down the road I decided to enlist the help of a professional. I started off by sending an e-mail to Jim Taylor who designed the entire Precision line including boats up to 28 feet th...

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Rachel Thank you very much for your reply. Your thought patterns are very much in line with mine. In addition to the boat you just mentioned the entire Precision line designed by Jim Taylor uses this same method to support the mast. Of the current production models the P-23 is the closest to my comm...

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Thanks guys for your replies. hriehl1 You are absolutely right about that and I hope my plan is sufficent to properly transfer the loads. The plan is to have the bulk head directly below the ends of the beam which are 8" wide at the top be solid plywood down to a similar setup that spans the fu...

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I'm removing the compression post in my Pearson Commander and replacing it with a strong back to support the mast. The unsupported distance between the bulkheads on both sides will end up at 35-3/4". The strong back beam itself I am making out of white oak vertically laminated to a width of 3-1...

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I know that Tim's opinion is that generally barrier coat or epoxy sealing of raw glass on the hulls bottom is a waste of money. And with my own boat I have seen first hand how barrier coat caused what appeared to be blisters (which were really just in the barrier coat) because the keel was filled wi...

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Zack Like you I have been using a combination of plastic spreaders, 6" and 12" drywall knifes and long boards. But the new idea to me was your sheet metal spreader. The link you provided does not show a picture so could you tell me are the ones you are using like the Coster Steel Auto Body...

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She is incredible in pictures, I can't imagine what she looks like in person.

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Take a look at this boat. I had one for 3 years and if not for monetary reasons I would still have it. You can cruise and I did several week long trips on it.

http://www.precisionboatworks.com/boats/p18/index.html

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One possible way of cutting through the 5200 on the combing boards is a wire with a wooden block on both ends to hang on to. If you can get the wire started behind the combing and use a sawing motion you MIGHT be able to cut through the 5200. My previous owner had used a LOT of silicone to glue the ...

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Tim and others

I live in what is often miserable hot Florida. While searching on the internet for supplied air systems I ran accross this unit that claims to not heat the supplied air. I would appreciate any opinions on the unit.

http://www.turbineproducts.com/fresh-ai ... ators.html

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Thanks Tim

I knew you used one from reading your blogs on the projects you have undertaken. There are a lot of choices out there it is hard to figure out where to start and what will work for our specific needs.

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Any suggestions on a good supplied air respirator that will work with both the toxic epoxy paints being sprayed and grinding and sanding fiberglass? Preferably one with full face mask since I wear glasses and need to cover them as well.

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Thanks again Tim

With the guidlines you and Dave have offered I'm sure I will figure it out after mixing using and sanding a few batches. I really appreciate the responses.

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Thanks Dave

You mean you can't read my mind about what kind of parts I'm talking about???????

In my mind I was visualizing parts by volume. It's the way I tend to do my measuring.

I appreciate your input.

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Well that gave me a chuckle. Wish I had you calculated eye and feel.... guess that will come with time and screwups. So as a starting point I'm guessing 3 or 4 parts of microballons to 1 part of cabosil would be a good place to start. I'll just have to make my mistakes so I can learn. Thanks again Tim

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Thanks Tim that helps a lot. I appreciate your response.

If I may ask one more question, what kind of ratio do you use for the microballons to cabsil for the fairing compound?

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I have never worked with fiberglass before I started restoring my commander. So I am having to learn as I go. I have gotten pretty good at using Epoxy for the structural work that needs doing. But now I'm thinking ahead to what I will need to do in the finishing stages. First the hull needs a signif...

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I'm looking a rehabilitating the mast on my commander and one option is to send it to JSI in St Petersburg and let them weld the holes up that are no longer wanted. At the same time they would weld winch bases on both sides and a fixed gooseneck bracket and pivoting vang bracket. Then they would pai...

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Michael

While I'm restoring my commander I have a friend that sails a Cape Dory Typhoon and he takes me sailing at least once a month so I can get a sailing fix. Nice boat and I'm glad to hear another one is being maintained.

Best of luck on your project.

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Michael I live in Brooksville, FL and have to buy a lot of my materials online because there is not much around here. You are probably better off in your area with all of the boating in Charlotte Harbor (which by the way I come down there to sail frequently I love your area). There is one place that...

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There was a typhoon that hit Burma (now called Myanmar) a year or so back and wiped out a lot of teak trees. Combine that with the way they hate Americans and you get the current prices. I don't see it getting any better any time soon with the lousy way they manage the forests.

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Thanks Zach and Tim for some imformative responses on this topic. I have been struggling with the same question and was happy to see your enlightening posts.

Thanks

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Yesterday I took the time to call George and we discussed my restoration project for quite some time. I have to say that I was very impressed with his knowledge of differant techniques to repair boats that I had not previously heard of. For example a technique he told me about that I intend to try f...

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George Looks like the votes are in. You obviously have some valuable insight to share and several folks here would like it very much if you would continue to share it. So instead of calling you for right now, I will ask some more questions here where others can learn along with me. First, when you s...

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MY bad, The patterns MAS sells are the Gibco flex mold patterns. And thank you very much georgefmys for the 2-part epoxy primer tip for doing this. That solves a couple of issues. The biggest one being I have some recore to do and wanted to do it with epoxy materials. The epoxy primer will adhear we...

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Huh????

The burlap method..... OK you suckered me in....

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John Thanks for your reply. I have come to a very simialr conclusion. If I can get away with just doing some patches here and there I will be OK but I doubt I will be able to do that. What will probably end up happening is I sand down all the non-skid and fair it out and then use something like Inte...

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The commanders are perfect "daysailor" boats. I am in the process of restoring hull 147 myself.

Please keep us updated on the progress of your mods to hull 126.

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I was doing some reading on bilge pumps this morning and ran across David Gerr's recommendation in his book "Boat Mechanical Systems Handbook" that a vented loop was needed in a bilge pump installation where the discharge was lower than the water line under any conditions (such as when the...

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I'm contemplating a similar situation on my Commander. Would a one way check valve work in this situation? Maybe something like this?

http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/us ... urn+Valves

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Ryan please e-mail me the info (or post it here) I am interested in getting a cost from them on a few.

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Jeff Don't know if you know it or not but there is another forum dedicated to the Ariel's and their sister ship the commander. The association has put together a manual on common problems with the boats and how to fix them. They also have lots of other great information in the manual. In addition th...

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There is always sketch face. If you want to while away some hours and end up with something truely unique you can lay out veneer in a pattern on a bulkhead that imitates a raised panel look. I sell doors for commercial buildings and we sometimes supply doors with a sketch face when the door is 45 or...

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Some people tell me they use mylar for applications where you do not want epoxy or polyester resin to bond such as a backer plate for a hull repair or fabricating frp panels. Others have told me they use visqueen. What is the best thing to use and where do I buy it and how much does it cost?

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I wish....

Getting it cut up and shipped to Florida would make it pretty expensive though.

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Oscar After researching this situation for much of the weekend I plan to follow your suggestion to seal the outside and get the foam out of the inside and let it dry out and then leave it alone. Your voice was a confirming vote for what I was already coming to understand. The thing I did not realize...

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Rachel Yes water is weeping out thanks to the poured in place foam that Pearson put in the keel during the manufacturering process. The foam got water logged and I am in the process of removing it from the keel. But if water can seep out it can also seep in. And thanks to the damage done to the gelc...

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Well, I have to say that is reassuring. Thanks for that link. hebert01.

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from the keel to the waterline? This is on a 1965 Pearson commander and the crazed gelcoat stops dead in it's tracks where the barrier coat applied by the previous owner stops just under the waterline stripe.

What would cause this????

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About 10 or 12 years ago the previous owner of my commander 26 decided to have a barrier coat applied to his boat. When the yard was stripping the hull to apply the barrier coat I believe they sand blasted it. I believe that because of what I am finding now as I sand through the barrier coat. In the...

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Joe Thank you very much. That could be just the ticket. I need to cut into the glass closing off the top and dig all that junk out and let the keel dry out while I'm doing other projects. Then I'll seal any possibility of leaks that I can conceive and this closed cell foam should then seal everythin...

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I believe the foam inside the keel of my Person Commander is water logged. It has been leaching water for what is now over a year since the boat was last in the water. I purchased this boat a couple of months ago and want to fix the water problem once and for all. The keel was built as part of the h...

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My past boat I called Sanity. It was my island of sanity in an otherwise insane world.

My friend told me I should call my current boat a commander "Insanity" he said he could hear it now "Coast Guard, Coast Guard this is Insanity do you copy?"

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Dale Thanks you for your informative and very discriptive post. It comes at a time when I am looking for a "good" method of doing non-skid after I recore the deck of my commander. A question if you don't mind from someone that has never done a project like this before. 1.) Could I do my ep...

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Thanks Rachal I've asked MAS Epoxy for referances (and yes I know they will only give me people they think will give me a positive report) hoping I can get some honest feedback from some of those that they give me. I'm really suprised someone here has not used it. Maybe It's just something new enoug...

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Rachel

How did it come out? Were you impressed or unimpressed?

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Has anyone here ever tried doing new non-skid patterns using the MAS epoxy patterns after recoring the deck? I am not a fan of the sand in the paint non-skid because to me it looks like a repair job and I would like my commander to look like it was new not repaired when I finish the recore. What oth...

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